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		<title>By: GST exemption &#8211; follow-up comments &#171; Policy Progress</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-6638</link>
		<dc:creator>GST exemption &#8211; follow-up comments &#171; Policy Progress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 09:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] exemptions were a nightmare to administer in the 1980s but are somewhat easier to handle now due to computerisation, so long as they&#8217;re well-designed. You seem to see it as something more fundamental than [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] exemptions were a nightmare to administer in the 1980s but are somewhat easier to handle now due to computerisation, so long as they&#8217;re well-designed. You seem to see it as something more fundamental than [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The progressive case against GST exemptions &#171; Policy Progress</title>
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		<dc:creator>The progressive case against GST exemptions &#171; Policy Progress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Idiot/Savant at No Right Turn correctly put it (before Gordon Campbell changed his mind with an article I found surprisingly weak): The problem here is income adequacy, and you do not address that by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Idiot/Savant at No Right Turn correctly put it (before Gordon Campbell changed his mind with an article I found surprisingly weak): The problem here is income adequacy, and you do not address that by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian G.</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-6206</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 01:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unnecessary spending by most city and district councils causing  rises in rates, so also in rents is an inevitable harbinger for increasing Gov&#039;t rates relief subsidies and higher taxation, whather as GST or income tax. The latter is to reduce for those in the higher income bracket, but economic recovery is delayed. Local body councils are an important cause.  Do not vote for those saying the right words unless centre-left community-minded locals verify.  With the primitive First Past the Post voting, tick minimal number of candidates, nor should we give a preference to more than the several whose policies are what we have prudently assessed.  This Single Transferable Vote idea is the superior method, notwithstanding MMP&#039;s national voting method.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unnecessary spending by most city and district councils causing  rises in rates, so also in rents is an inevitable harbinger for increasing Gov&#8217;t rates relief subsidies and higher taxation, whather as GST or income tax. The latter is to reduce for those in the higher income bracket, but economic recovery is delayed. Local body councils are an important cause.  Do not vote for those saying the right words unless centre-left community-minded locals verify.  With the primitive First Past the Post voting, tick minimal number of candidates, nor should we give a preference to more than the several whose policies are what we have prudently assessed.  This Single Transferable Vote idea is the superior method, notwithstanding MMP&#8217;s national voting method.</p>
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		<title>By: TVHE &#187; GST and food. Why I&#8217;m against exempting the tax</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1783</link>
		<dc:creator>TVHE &#187; GST and food. Why I&#8217;m against exempting the tax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dim Post, No Right Turn mentions an article from Werewolf.co.nz by Gordon Campbell.  The article supports the idea of exempting GST on food. There were a number of interesting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1765</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone on a benefit eeking out income on food I would appreciate a cut of one-ninth in the price of the food I buy. That my one-ninth is about $6 a week, and someone on $1,000 may save much more does not concern me.  My plan is to emulate the earning power of some of the contributers above.
I do suggest all food be exempt, including pizzas etc, because how different is it my buying the ingredients (all exempt) and the finished product.  This would further reduce compliance costs.
If evidence from the rest of the world shows it can cope with exempt items, the NZ should be brave and have exempt items.

Slothsayer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone on a benefit eeking out income on food I would appreciate a cut of one-ninth in the price of the food I buy. That my one-ninth is about $6 a week, and someone on $1,000 may save much more does not concern me.  My plan is to emulate the earning power of some of the contributers above.<br />
I do suggest all food be exempt, including pizzas etc, because how different is it my buying the ingredients (all exempt) and the finished product.  This would further reduce compliance costs.<br />
If evidence from the rest of the world shows it can cope with exempt items, the NZ should be brave and have exempt items.</p>
<p>Slothsayer</p>
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		<title>By: Roland</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1761</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sentiment behind removing GST on food is noble but in practice this is an expensive and poorly targetted tax change; it is classic case of middle class feel good politics over effective support for the poor.  

The impact of exempting food from GST on health and wellbeing is considerably less than may first be thought.  GST is much less regressive than commonly imagined so cuts to GST are at best very mildly progressive. The bulk of the benefit would go to those on middle to high incomes, who pay the bulk of GST.  The reason for this is that low income households spend a large part of their income on rent, which is not subject to GST.  In contrast, food tends to be a relatively constant share of income across deciles as rich people tend to eat out more.

If the argument is around income redistribution - Working for Families is much more effective at that.  You would target tax cuts much more effectively for the same revenue by introducing a tax-free threshold at the bottom of the income tax scale.  This would also benefit everyone but would be proportionately more targetted.

If the argument is around healthy food, then cutting GST on food will have little effect as it doesn&#039;t change the relative price of junk food and healthy food.  Better to look at a fat tax, coupled with measures such as fruit in schools etc (see below).

If we want to reform taxation on food to ensure a basic healthy diet is more affordable then lets look at the actual causes of poor diet, which are far more complex than GST on food.  Possible remedial actions could include subsidising fruit shops in low income areas, tax fat and sugar in food, ensure people have an adequate income and possibly reintroduce meals in schools.  

Comments above have already noted that removing GST on a class of food is not the same as ensuring that all food falls by 12.5% in price.  Boundary issues abound and Australian supermarkets tend to average prices.  The administrative burden is much higher on small community businesses (eg the corner dairy) than it is on large chains.  

So while removing GST on food seems like a simple slogan, in my view it would do much less than its proponents imagine to address either equity or wellbeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sentiment behind removing GST on food is noble but in practice this is an expensive and poorly targetted tax change; it is classic case of middle class feel good politics over effective support for the poor.  </p>
<p>The impact of exempting food from GST on health and wellbeing is considerably less than may first be thought.  GST is much less regressive than commonly imagined so cuts to GST are at best very mildly progressive. The bulk of the benefit would go to those on middle to high incomes, who pay the bulk of GST.  The reason for this is that low income households spend a large part of their income on rent, which is not subject to GST.  In contrast, food tends to be a relatively constant share of income across deciles as rich people tend to eat out more.</p>
<p>If the argument is around income redistribution &#8211; Working for Families is much more effective at that.  You would target tax cuts much more effectively for the same revenue by introducing a tax-free threshold at the bottom of the income tax scale.  This would also benefit everyone but would be proportionately more targetted.</p>
<p>If the argument is around healthy food, then cutting GST on food will have little effect as it doesn&#8217;t change the relative price of junk food and healthy food.  Better to look at a fat tax, coupled with measures such as fruit in schools etc (see below).</p>
<p>If we want to reform taxation on food to ensure a basic healthy diet is more affordable then lets look at the actual causes of poor diet, which are far more complex than GST on food.  Possible remedial actions could include subsidising fruit shops in low income areas, tax fat and sugar in food, ensure people have an adequate income and possibly reintroduce meals in schools.  </p>
<p>Comments above have already noted that removing GST on a class of food is not the same as ensuring that all food falls by 12.5% in price.  Boundary issues abound and Australian supermarkets tend to average prices.  The administrative burden is much higher on small community businesses (eg the corner dairy) than it is on large chains.  </p>
<p>So while removing GST on food seems like a simple slogan, in my view it would do much less than its proponents imagine to address either equity or wellbeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter King</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1745</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 21:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to see what sort of capital gains tax would be needed to balance removing GST on food. I note most of the jurisdicrtions you mention actually have one. An important point about NZ IRD however is that its computer systems built by Arthur Andersen in the early 90s were written in Cobol and are extremely hard to change. Before we worry about changing tax rates we need a total rebuild of the tax computer system to allow for policy flexibility. Otherwise the Commissioner just says &quot;can&#039;t be done&quot; and uses technical incompetence as a pressure on policy options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to see what sort of capital gains tax would be needed to balance removing GST on food. I note most of the jurisdicrtions you mention actually have one. An important point about NZ IRD however is that its computer systems built by Arthur Andersen in the early 90s were written in Cobol and are extremely hard to change. Before we worry about changing tax rates we need a total rebuild of the tax computer system to allow for policy flexibility. Otherwise the Commissioner just says &#8220;can&#8217;t be done&#8221; and uses technical incompetence as a pressure on policy options.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Gaia</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1696</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Gaia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not LOWER GST to 10% and exempt all earners under $60,000 from paying it. That would protect low earners and stimulate the whole economy, as well as making people happier. No? Too simple? Where, indeed is the opposition? Come on Phil!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not LOWER GST to 10% and exempt all earners under $60,000 from paying it. That would protect low earners and stimulate the whole economy, as well as making people happier. No? Too simple? Where, indeed is the opposition? Come on Phil!</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Gallagher</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1678</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Gallagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The elephant in the room here is whether the supermarkets would pass on the reduction in price. The Greens actually bothered to ask the supermarkets and they said that they wouldn&#039;t. They might pass on some of the savings but would simply add the savings onto their profit margins. A far better system would be to exempt the first, say, $5000 from taxation and introduce a universal child allowance. That would direct funds to those most in need and not into the supermarkets profit margins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The elephant in the room here is whether the supermarkets would pass on the reduction in price. The Greens actually bothered to ask the supermarkets and they said that they wouldn&#8217;t. They might pass on some of the savings but would simply add the savings onto their profit margins. A far better system would be to exempt the first, say, $5000 from taxation and introduce a universal child allowance. That would direct funds to those most in need and not into the supermarkets profit margins.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1677</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are in a Democracy where we, the New Zealand Citizens want to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Otherwise we would not have voted National with their brutal policies into office.

The reason is a misunderstanding of their own identity of the so called middle class. We seem to think that being middle class means that we belong to a camp whose interest are better served by policies that benefit the rich.

But the middle class is not rich. And the word middle class is confusing because it can only exist in a system where there are only three classes. The rich are not in the middle class. They are way above, class number seven or so.

When we &quot;must, must, must lower our corporate tax rate to match the corporate tax rate that prevails in Australia&quot; then what this means is that we must adjust our policies so that the interests of the rich and super rich are better served. Nothing else. And the middle class says amen because they are not poor, are they? On this path the middle class as we know it will gradually disappear and as a result of it there will only be super rich, and poor people.

An then we can proudly say: We did it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are in a Democracy where we, the New Zealand Citizens want to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Otherwise we would not have voted National with their brutal policies into office.</p>
<p>The reason is a misunderstanding of their own identity of the so called middle class. We seem to think that being middle class means that we belong to a camp whose interest are better served by policies that benefit the rich.</p>
<p>But the middle class is not rich. And the word middle class is confusing because it can only exist in a system where there are only three classes. The rich are not in the middle class. They are way above, class number seven or so.</p>
<p>When we &#8220;must, must, must lower our corporate tax rate to match the corporate tax rate that prevails in Australia&#8221; then what this means is that we must adjust our policies so that the interests of the rich and super rich are better served. Nothing else. And the middle class says amen because they are not poor, are they? On this path the middle class as we know it will gradually disappear and as a result of it there will only be super rich, and poor people.</p>
<p>An then we can proudly say: We did it!</p>
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		<title>By: ZenTiger</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1674</link>
		<dc:creator>ZenTiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having a computer system doesn&#039;t make GST easier to calculate in itself.  You then need to load every food and non food item into a database to determine if GST is applied to it or not.  Places buying mixed groceries that claim back the GST have to have systems that allow them to enter split totals (non-GST chargeable and GST chargeable proportions).  Ultimately, additional compliance costs will be passed on to the consumer.  Small businesses always suffer as IRD adds more layers.

Gone from the above discussion was any mention of alternatives - such as a universal tax credit to offset the approximate GST portion of a normal household&#039;s food bill.  Or a tax free threshold to negate not just the GST rise, but GST on food.  Those things would have less administrative compliance costs for businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having a computer system doesn&#8217;t make GST easier to calculate in itself.  You then need to load every food and non food item into a database to determine if GST is applied to it or not.  Places buying mixed groceries that claim back the GST have to have systems that allow them to enter split totals (non-GST chargeable and GST chargeable proportions).  Ultimately, additional compliance costs will be passed on to the consumer.  Small businesses always suffer as IRD adds more layers.</p>
<p>Gone from the above discussion was any mention of alternatives &#8211; such as a universal tax credit to offset the approximate GST portion of a normal household&#8217;s food bill.  Or a tax free threshold to negate not just the GST rise, but GST on food.  Those things would have less administrative compliance costs for businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1672</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 04:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ultimate irony, of course, would be if this policy did get rolled during the current term of Parliament, when it was never even on the drawing-board during the tenure of the last Labour Government, who gave the poor only accommodation suplements (aka subsidies on mortgages for the proprty-manager class) and Working for Families (aka subsidising low wages &amp; propping up the profits of employers...).

National would be hard pushed to enact any policy more beneficial to business than the above-cited Labour legislation, so their only option is to start making noises that position them slightly to the right of Gengis Khan. 
Expect a Welfare policy that begins with &quot;first sort out who&#039;s work-ready and who isn&#039;t&quot;, and ends with &quot;well, just let the buggers starve if there isn&#039;t enough work to take up&quot;.

Then they can officially be recognised as the re-incarnation of the Liberal Government that mismanaged the early years of the Depression so badly as to create conditions for a landslide win by the nascent Labour Party.

Who replaces the centre-right?
Watch out for the Worker&#039;s Party/Unite union collaboration. There&#039;s a lot of underpaid, hungry young people on the minimum wage out there....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ultimate irony, of course, would be if this policy did get rolled during the current term of Parliament, when it was never even on the drawing-board during the tenure of the last Labour Government, who gave the poor only accommodation suplements (aka subsidies on mortgages for the proprty-manager class) and Working for Families (aka subsidising low wages &amp; propping up the profits of employers&#8230;).</p>
<p>National would be hard pushed to enact any policy more beneficial to business than the above-cited Labour legislation, so their only option is to start making noises that position them slightly to the right of Gengis Khan.<br />
Expect a Welfare policy that begins with &#8220;first sort out who&#8217;s work-ready and who isn&#8217;t&#8221;, and ends with &#8220;well, just let the buggers starve if there isn&#8217;t enough work to take up&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then they can officially be recognised as the re-incarnation of the Liberal Government that mismanaged the early years of the Depression so badly as to create conditions for a landslide win by the nascent Labour Party.</p>
<p>Who replaces the centre-right?<br />
Watch out for the Worker&#8217;s Party/Unite union collaboration. There&#8217;s a lot of underpaid, hungry young people on the minimum wage out there&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Munro</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1668</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 23:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the absence of a real opposition party to drive this issue, what&#039;s needed is probably a campaign of civil disobedience - along the lines of the blood protests in Thailand. NZ, or rather it&#039;s despicable governers, is anomalous in taxing food. Advanced countries don&#039;t do it.

Mottos along the lines of &#039;you&#039;ll get blood from a stone before you take the bread out of our children&#039;s mouths&#039;, and soaking welfare miser Bennett in blood, will assure this government of its proper place in history - right next to practically every damned fool we&#039;ve produced in the last thirty years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the absence of a real opposition party to drive this issue, what&#8217;s needed is probably a campaign of civil disobedience &#8211; along the lines of the blood protests in Thailand. NZ, or rather it&#8217;s despicable governers, is anomalous in taxing food. Advanced countries don&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p>Mottos along the lines of &#8216;you&#8217;ll get blood from a stone before you take the bread out of our children&#8217;s mouths&#8217;, and soaking welfare miser Bennett in blood, will assure this government of its proper place in history &#8211; right next to practically every damned fool we&#8217;ve produced in the last thirty years.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1665</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 10:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Alliance Party have long held the manifesto, including dropping GST altogether and implementing an FTT. Along with this we would utilize Kiwibank to distribute capped, low interest mortgages on state built houses. However the NZ voting public appear to be leader driven rather than policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Alliance Party have long held the manifesto, including dropping GST altogether and implementing an FTT. Along with this we would utilize Kiwibank to distribute capped, low interest mortgages on state built houses. However the NZ voting public appear to be leader driven rather than policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Compliance Costs &#171; Something should go here, maybe later.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Compliance Costs &#171; Something should go here, maybe later.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 22:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my biggest problem is the compliance costs arguement. Gordon Campbell sets these out thus: Any introduction of a GST food exemption would create two potential sources of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GST sucks</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1661</link>
		<dc:creator>GST sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been personally involved in implementing GS1net within the NZ supermarket sector.  Gordon you make it sound easy, but trust me, it is HARD!  We will need a lot more time to implement GS1net for Tax verification here than the likely timespan between May budget and October effective date.  So far there are only 60 or so NZ companies with data in GS1net, and they account for perhaps 20% of the available products in NZ supermarkets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been personally involved in implementing GS1net within the NZ supermarket sector.  Gordon you make it sound easy, but trust me, it is HARD!  We will need a lot more time to implement GS1net for Tax verification here than the likely timespan between May budget and October effective date.  So far there are only 60 or so NZ companies with data in GS1net, and they account for perhaps 20% of the available products in NZ supermarkets.</p>
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		<title>By: Jum</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1604</link>
		<dc:creator>Jum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 01:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Liz, there is no strong visible opposition to NActs actions, because media choose to ignore it and because the opposition hasn&#039;t quite gotten it into its head yet that &#039;visible&#039; is the magic word.  Blogs aint gonna do it on their own.  Making media statements to the press that never get into any reasonable position of first page status aint gonna do it.

It&#039;s because there is no objective people-oriented newspaper that you can hold in your hands on the bus, the train, the plane.  It will be some years before the older voter is holding an e-paper.  

By the time the foreign owned manipulative newspapers and the rightwing radio talk backs (except for the only objective radio station Radio NZ which this government is trying to destroy) have finished with New Zealanders they&#039;ve been brainwashed.  You also have to remember that Labour didn&#039;t change GST because they were helping people financially in other areas.  I personally would have exempted food back then.  It is always better to have things cemented into place well before the tax cut kids come back in and the knives come out on the social good funding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Liz, there is no strong visible opposition to NActs actions, because media choose to ignore it and because the opposition hasn&#8217;t quite gotten it into its head yet that &#8216;visible&#8217; is the magic word.  Blogs aint gonna do it on their own.  Making media statements to the press that never get into any reasonable position of first page status aint gonna do it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s because there is no objective people-oriented newspaper that you can hold in your hands on the bus, the train, the plane.  It will be some years before the older voter is holding an e-paper.  </p>
<p>By the time the foreign owned manipulative newspapers and the rightwing radio talk backs (except for the only objective radio station Radio NZ which this government is trying to destroy) have finished with New Zealanders they&#8217;ve been brainwashed.  You also have to remember that Labour didn&#8217;t change GST because they were helping people financially in other areas.  I personally would have exempted food back then.  It is always better to have things cemented into place well before the tax cut kids come back in and the knives come out on the social good funding.</p>
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		<title>By: Madge</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1571</link>
		<dc:creator>Madge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be easier to exempt food if the tax was added at the time of purchase, as in USA sales taxes, instead of being included in retail prices.
NZ retail is already hurting badly and raising gst is going to deal retailers a further blow. They will be forced to either pay the extra gst out of their own pockets or raise prices. 

Increasing taxes on alcohol would have been a better choice. Alcohol consumption is a huge burden on our public health system, ACC and a cause of social problems such as child abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be easier to exempt food if the tax was added at the time of purchase, as in USA sales taxes, instead of being included in retail prices.<br />
NZ retail is already hurting badly and raising gst is going to deal retailers a further blow. They will be forced to either pay the extra gst out of their own pockets or raise prices. </p>
<p>Increasing taxes on alcohol would have been a better choice. Alcohol consumption is a huge burden on our public health system, ACC and a cause of social problems such as child abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Dunbar</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Dunbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although its great that the Australian Tax Office has come up with a computer program that makes food exemption easier than  ever, it is neverthless a fact that other countries found ways to exempt food (Great Britain and virtually all the American states, for example) LONG BEFORE the original introduction of GST in New Zealand.  Douglas&#039; original argument then that exempting food was just too administratively difficult was just another way he delighted in taking advantage of Kiwi naivete, ignorance, and unbridled faith in authority.  What has changed?

And Duncan, don&#039;t think that the vast NZ middle class doesn&#039;t know that its tax cuts (then and now) depend on the efficacy of GST in filling the coffers.  In other words, I think the problem in this instance  is not apathy but rather conscious self-aggrandisement by the middle class at the expense of the poor (who don&#039;t benefit much, if at all, from tax cuts).

But congrats to Gordon for helping expose the issue, anyway!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although its great that the Australian Tax Office has come up with a computer program that makes food exemption easier than  ever, it is neverthless a fact that other countries found ways to exempt food (Great Britain and virtually all the American states, for example) LONG BEFORE the original introduction of GST in New Zealand.  Douglas&#8217; original argument then that exempting food was just too administratively difficult was just another way he delighted in taking advantage of Kiwi naivete, ignorance, and unbridled faith in authority.  What has changed?</p>
<p>And Duncan, don&#8217;t think that the vast NZ middle class doesn&#8217;t know that its tax cuts (then and now) depend on the efficacy of GST in filling the coffers.  In other words, I think the problem in this instance  is not apathy but rather conscious self-aggrandisement by the middle class at the expense of the poor (who don&#8217;t benefit much, if at all, from tax cuts).</p>
<p>But congrats to Gordon for helping expose the issue, anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 02:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When are we going to get a viable opposition party that will push for things like this, strongly and loudly?
There are so many things the National party is doing that make me cringe, and yet there does not seem to be a loud voice of reason coming from anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are we going to get a viable opposition party that will push for things like this, strongly and loudly?<br />
There are so many things the National party is doing that make me cringe, and yet there does not seem to be a loud voice of reason coming from anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Graham</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/04/do-the-right-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 01:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compelling and well-researched argument.  But where&#039;s the political will to push this proposal? Hey, it&#039;s still holiday time, the sun&#039;s shining, the recession is over in Thorndon, so why bother?  When are we going to get a party with the energy to really run with an issue, particularly one with such widespread benefits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compelling and well-researched argument.  But where&#8217;s the political will to push this proposal? Hey, it&#8217;s still holiday time, the sun&#8217;s shining, the recession is over in Thorndon, so why bother?  When are we going to get a party with the energy to really run with an issue, particularly one with such widespread benefits?</p>
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