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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1398</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 03:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to take seriously anyone writing someone who brands a libertarian idea as coming from the Right.  It&#039;s a massive problem that so many media people in NZ can only think in the black and white of Left or Right.  Roger&#039;s ideas are pure Libertarian - which is a space neither on the Left or the Right of traditional politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to take seriously anyone writing someone who brands a libertarian idea as coming from the Right.  It&#8217;s a massive problem that so many media people in NZ can only think in the black and white of Left or Right.  Roger&#8217;s ideas are pure Libertarian &#8211; which is a space neither on the Left or the Right of traditional politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Drakula</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1371</link>
		<dc:creator>Drakula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent an e-mail to Roger Douglas, in opposition to his heinious bill and to my suprise I even got a reply.

It was the same sort of rhetoric mentioned above so I just hit the delete button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent an e-mail to Roger Douglas, in opposition to his heinious bill and to my suprise I even got a reply.</p>
<p>It was the same sort of rhetoric mentioned above so I just hit the delete button.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Tomsk</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Tomsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is just more nonsense.
 Dropping &quot;students X&quot; wages will not serve to create any new jobs(small or new businesses)or reduce unemployment in teenagers. 
Your game plan lowering wages is incorrect for creating employment.

You want real variables?
 Transnational&#039;s advantages combined with NZ&#039;s FTA 
Means international trade wars and brutal competition for existing businesses.
Why don&#039;t you listen to Kay and  stop pretending there is anything but profiteering behind the stupid policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is just more nonsense.<br />
 Dropping &#8220;students X&#8221; wages will not serve to create any new jobs(small or new businesses)or reduce unemployment in teenagers.<br />
Your game plan lowering wages is incorrect for creating employment.</p>
<p>You want real variables?<br />
 Transnational&#8217;s advantages combined with NZ&#8217;s FTA<br />
Means international trade wars and brutal competition for existing businesses.<br />
Why don&#8217;t you listen to Kay and  stop pretending there is anything but profiteering behind the stupid policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam McLeod</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1300</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kay - you simply cannot put employment rates down to a single variable, when you change a variable like having a wage floor this will impact on a whole lot of other veriables - if the job market were allowed to determine levels of income on a natural demand scale it would not only give more freedom to employers to determine the salaries they pay (saving them money in that regard) but it would be beneficial to new people starting new business and also the low-level income workers themselves, i.e. it would create more jobs for young people - this can only mean that competition for new employees would start between employers which would lead to employers having to offer young people higher wages. the reason unskilled workers and students have trouble getting income is simply because at the moment it does not make economic sense to employ them - most small/new businesses have huge difficulty justifying paying $12.50 to someone who will most likely not be able to recover that money for the business, on top of this unions are very detrimental to the cause of the unskilled worker.

Let market forces decide whether Student X is worth employing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kay &#8211; you simply cannot put employment rates down to a single variable, when you change a variable like having a wage floor this will impact on a whole lot of other veriables &#8211; if the job market were allowed to determine levels of income on a natural demand scale it would not only give more freedom to employers to determine the salaries they pay (saving them money in that regard) but it would be beneficial to new people starting new business and also the low-level income workers themselves, i.e. it would create more jobs for young people &#8211; this can only mean that competition for new employees would start between employers which would lead to employers having to offer young people higher wages. the reason unskilled workers and students have trouble getting income is simply because at the moment it does not make economic sense to employ them &#8211; most small/new businesses have huge difficulty justifying paying $12.50 to someone who will most likely not be able to recover that money for the business, on top of this unions are very detrimental to the cause of the unskilled worker.</p>
<p>Let market forces decide whether Student X is worth employing!</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Scarlet</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1292</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay Scarlet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The unemployment rate for workers aged 15 to 19 over the period December 2008 to December 2009 rose by 7% above it&#039;s previous level.  During the same period the unemployment rates for New Zealand workers from Middle Eastern, Latin American and African countries also rose by 7%.  The unemployment rates for Maori and Pacific Island workers for the same period rose by 6%.  There was no change in the minimum wage for the other groups showing that it&#039;s not wage rates that makes an employer choose one worker rather than another.  Roger Douglas and New Zealand would both benefit if he left politics and studied economics at university.  He might learn something and we wouldn&#039;t have to put up with him wasting thousands of dollars of Parliamentary resources on this nonsensical piece of legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unemployment rate for workers aged 15 to 19 over the period December 2008 to December 2009 rose by 7% above it&#8217;s previous level.  During the same period the unemployment rates for New Zealand workers from Middle Eastern, Latin American and African countries also rose by 7%.  The unemployment rates for Maori and Pacific Island workers for the same period rose by 6%.  There was no change in the minimum wage for the other groups showing that it&#8217;s not wage rates that makes an employer choose one worker rather than another.  Roger Douglas and New Zealand would both benefit if he left politics and studied economics at university.  He might learn something and we wouldn&#8217;t have to put up with him wasting thousands of dollars of Parliamentary resources on this nonsensical piece of legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Focus &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Youth minimum wage back on the political agenda</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1290</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Focus &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Youth minimum wage back on the political agenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The drawing of my Minimum Wage (Mitigation Of Youth Unemployment) Amendment Bill today is a step toward mitigating the high rate of youth unemployment, which has soared since Labour abolished the youth minimum wage in 2008, ACT New Zealand MP Sir Roger Douglas said today. Check out the Press release on Scoop.Green party MP, Gareth Hughes, weighs into the debate with his blog post  Is Roger anti-youth?And check out Gordon Campbell&#8217;s thoughts on Werewolf. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The drawing of my Minimum Wage (Mitigation Of Youth Unemployment) Amendment Bill today is a step toward mitigating the high rate of youth unemployment, which has soared since Labour abolished the youth minimum wage in 2008, ACT New Zealand MP Sir Roger Douglas said today. Check out the Press release on Scoop.Green party MP, Gareth Hughes, weighs into the debate with his blog post  Is Roger anti-youth?And check out Gordon Campbell&#8217;s thoughts on Werewolf. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Busby</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1289</link>
		<dc:creator>James Busby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir Roger McDouglas has only ever spouted  formulaic anti-social northern pro-corporate policy.Chicago market crashing ideology -not morality.
 So Cam you can claim to have blind trust in unregulated Corporations, privatization of all public assets and more deregulation for NZ in a global market.
In an unregulated  global market you really think the TNC&#039;s  need or are entitled to more state welfare interventions to raise profits after unregulated [insane] fiance practices tanked the economy.

 
One more  point to this foolish policy is that it is not treating two employees doing exactly the same job EQUALLY.NZ govt[not its partner] does have a specific legal responsibility not to implement this type of policy.

With Big Pharma&#039;s new marketing book/diagnostic manual you may find you need that prescription[along with medicating 2yr old&#039;s for tantrums].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Roger McDouglas has only ever spouted  formulaic anti-social northern pro-corporate policy.Chicago market crashing ideology -not morality.<br />
 So Cam you can claim to have blind trust in unregulated Corporations, privatization of all public assets and more deregulation for NZ in a global market.<br />
In an unregulated  global market you really think the TNC&#8217;s  need or are entitled to more state welfare interventions to raise profits after unregulated [insane] fiance practices tanked the economy.</p>
<p>One more  point to this foolish policy is that it is not treating two employees doing exactly the same job EQUALLY.NZ govt[not its partner] does have a specific legal responsibility not to implement this type of policy.</p>
<p>With Big Pharma&#8217;s new marketing book/diagnostic manual you may find you need that prescription[along with medicating 2yr old's for tantrums].</p>
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		<title>By: Cam McLeod</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1286</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Standing up for non-deprivation of sovereign autonomy:

I am sick and tired of hearing crap about Sir Roger Douglas, he is a champion of modern politics and macroeconomics, he saved the economy of this country after a long period of economic decline caused by Muldoonism, he also generated a national understanding of contemporary political theory, he was a leader of international political philosophy, the inventor of the omnibus bill, and he stood for the end of the welfare state. If you are too young or foolish to remember he was a member of the Labour Party in the days when the Labour party stood for more nationalistic ideals. - that is the labour party before it lost it&#039;s sense of moral realism...

I trust him unlike so many foolish people didn&#039;t in the early 80&#039;s, people will attempt to subvert his motive and link it to the wine-box affair, this is comparable to the experience Thomas Paine (the author of the US constitution) had in the 1780&#039;s when he was accused of treason.

All I can say is that I don&#039;t want to have to get a prescription for my margarine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standing up for non-deprivation of sovereign autonomy:</p>
<p>I am sick and tired of hearing crap about Sir Roger Douglas, he is a champion of modern politics and macroeconomics, he saved the economy of this country after a long period of economic decline caused by Muldoonism, he also generated a national understanding of contemporary political theory, he was a leader of international political philosophy, the inventor of the omnibus bill, and he stood for the end of the welfare state. If you are too young or foolish to remember he was a member of the Labour Party in the days when the Labour party stood for more nationalistic ideals. &#8211; that is the labour party before it lost it&#8217;s sense of moral realism&#8230;</p>
<p>I trust him unlike so many foolish people didn&#8217;t in the early 80&#8242;s, people will attempt to subvert his motive and link it to the wine-box affair, this is comparable to the experience Thomas Paine (the author of the US constitution) had in the 1780&#8242;s when he was accused of treason.</p>
<p>All I can say is that I don&#8217;t want to have to get a prescription for my margarine</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Rodrick</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1259</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Rodrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inequity does not increase productivity.

New jobs come from expanded reserves, which come from expanded deposits and expanded loans, expanded business investment and expanded consumption.
The huge bank bailouts should have provided the first part of the expansion package [that just didn&#039;t happen].
It seems idiotic to simultaneously  try to raise  GST AND opt for lower wages which only serves to lower consumption. 

Blinglish&#039;s accompanying  plan to sex up  NZ  bottlenecks and generally make public assets  more &#039;blingy&#039; to private Corporations.
Distracting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inequity does not increase productivity.</p>
<p>New jobs come from expanded reserves, which come from expanded deposits and expanded loans, expanded business investment and expanded consumption.<br />
The huge bank bailouts should have provided the first part of the expansion package [that just didn't happen].<br />
It seems idiotic to simultaneously  try to raise  GST AND opt for lower wages which only serves to lower consumption. </p>
<p>Blinglish&#8217;s accompanying  plan to sex up  NZ  bottlenecks and generally make public assets  more &#8216;blingy&#8217; to private Corporations.<br />
Distracting.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Treen</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1256</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Treen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See &quot;Bringing back youth rates won’t create jobs&quot; By Mike Treen, National Director, Unite Union http://www.unite.org.nz/youthrates_unemployment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See &#8220;Bringing back youth rates won’t create jobs&#8221; By Mike Treen, National Director, Unite Union <a href="http://www.unite.org.nz/youthrates_unemployment" rel="nofollow">http://www.unite.org.nz/youthrates_unemployment</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rufus</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator>Rufus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A proposed  wage decrease  will not see more employment - it is not job creation.

Even if the govt agrees with  &quot;you have no rights- you are all but cogs in a self regulating [allegedly out of control] economic entity&quot; it still should not support a policy that is at best pointless and possibly harmful.

sir Roger Douglas is a business lobbyist first and foremost.
The biggest concern ( Gordon pointed out )a distressing outcome  is a displaced older group losing employment when they are replaced by Douglas&#039;s tinkering just to lower business costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A proposed  wage decrease  will not see more employment &#8211; it is not job creation.</p>
<p>Even if the govt agrees with  &#8220;you have no rights- you are all but cogs in a self regulating [allegedly out of control] economic entity&#8221; it still should not support a policy that is at best pointless and possibly harmful.</p>
<p>sir Roger Douglas is a business lobbyist first and foremost.<br />
The biggest concern ( Gordon pointed out )a distressing outcome  is a displaced older group losing employment when they are replaced by Douglas&#8217;s tinkering just to lower business costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Konkin</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/03/valuing-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-1239</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Konkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I would like to make two points. First, you say that &quot;the period Douglas has chosen perfectly co-incides with the recession that hit the New Zealand economy, and every other economy in the world in 2008-2009.&quot;

This is true. However, if you actually read what he has said, including on his blog, he points out that the increase is partially caused by the recession - what he is concerned about is the extent to which it increases much faster than previous recessions, as measured by its relationship to adult unemployment. The economist Eric Crampton has created a simple model you should see. 

Second, you suggest that this is workplace discrimination. Article 30(2) of the Human Rights Act exempts under 20s from pay parity for those over 20. So, pay parity is not a necessity, but it will arise for those earning minimum wages. If this is a real debate about treating people equally, then people should be advocating to get rid of that section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I would like to make two points. First, you say that &#8220;the period Douglas has chosen perfectly co-incides with the recession that hit the New Zealand economy, and every other economy in the world in 2008-2009.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is true. However, if you actually read what he has said, including on his blog, he points out that the increase is partially caused by the recession &#8211; what he is concerned about is the extent to which it increases much faster than previous recessions, as measured by its relationship to adult unemployment. The economist Eric Crampton has created a simple model you should see. </p>
<p>Second, you suggest that this is workplace discrimination. Article 30(2) of the Human Rights Act exempts under 20s from pay parity for those over 20. So, pay parity is not a necessity, but it will arise for those earning minimum wages. If this is a real debate about treating people equally, then people should be advocating to get rid of that section.</p>
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