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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very convenient argument for women, I must say.

It reminds me of the 1970s when feminists argued that the very fact that boys out-performed girls at secondary level was undeniable &quot;proof&quot; of sexism. Funnily enough, we don&#039;t hear that argument from women anymore. I wonder why? Maybe because girls now out-perform boys?

When the time comes - and it will - when women are paid more on average than men, this line of argument will be dropped like a hot potato, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very convenient argument for women, I must say.</p>
<p>It reminds me of the 1970s when feminists argued that the very fact that boys out-performed girls at secondary level was undeniable &#8220;proof&#8221; of sexism. Funnily enough, we don&#8217;t hear that argument from women anymore. I wonder why? Maybe because girls now out-perform boys?</p>
<p>When the time comes &#8211; and it will &#8211; when women are paid more on average than men, this line of argument will be dropped like a hot potato, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Kai</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-902</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I haven&#039;t seen this - the situation where men are being promoted or paid more than women. 

If anything, I&#039;ve seen the reverse - been turned down for jobs simply because I was male, or otherwise seen the &#039;girls club&#039; where membership is required to ease the way. Certainly in my current workplace - a corporate environment working for a telecommunications company - opportunities for promotion are considered greater for women. This is an opinion commonly voiced by women in this company.

Some might think that Just - I recall the then head of Woman&#039;s Refuge saying, in an interview with The Listener, suggesting that &#039;maybe they [men] deserve it&#039;, when questioned on &#039;reverse&#039; sexism and bias.

Coming from a family with prominent and obviously strong and accomplished women, it came as a surprise to my younger self that anyone might consider them less able, or less deserving with regard to remuneration or recognition.

Meanwhile, it seems there are ample social mechanisms working to adjust the inequality discussed in the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I haven&#8217;t seen this &#8211; the situation where men are being promoted or paid more than women. </p>
<p>If anything, I&#8217;ve seen the reverse &#8211; been turned down for jobs simply because I was male, or otherwise seen the &#8216;girls club&#8217; where membership is required to ease the way. Certainly in my current workplace &#8211; a corporate environment working for a telecommunications company &#8211; opportunities for promotion are considered greater for women. This is an opinion commonly voiced by women in this company.</p>
<p>Some might think that Just &#8211; I recall the then head of Woman&#8217;s Refuge saying, in an interview with The Listener, suggesting that &#8216;maybe they [men] deserve it&#8217;, when questioned on &#8216;reverse&#8217; sexism and bias.</p>
<p>Coming from a family with prominent and obviously strong and accomplished women, it came as a surprise to my younger self that anyone might consider them less able, or less deserving with regard to remuneration or recognition.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, it seems there are ample social mechanisms working to adjust the inequality discussed in the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-832</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many commentators on this topic put forward the view that unequal pay for men and women in the same job is due to factors such as women taking time out of the workforce to care for children and use this to justify the pay gap.  

The reality is that the very thorough pay reviews conducted in the core public service and education take this factor into account.  They weed out the proportion this contributes to the pay gap and demonstrate that there is still a sizable part of the pay gap that is not due to this.  This is the bit that is discriminatory and that the Government has an obligation to address.  

The most common problem identified by the reviews was in starting salaries.  Women new starters with the same (or more) levels of experience and qualifications as male new starters were offered less than their male counterparts and this gap is never caught up. All of this is not helped of course by our strange practice here in NZ of not publishing salary ranges for jobs.

The other main issue identified was performance pay systems where progression up the pay range is not transparent and is  determined by managerial discretion.  The reviews show that women with the same levels of experience and performance as men receive less salary progression and smaller one-off performance payments.

So, this has all been proven now.  We don&#039;t need to spend more taxpayers&#039; money on the Ministry of Women&#039;s Affairs trying to figure out whether there is a problem.  There is and the Government has both a moral and human rights obligation to fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many commentators on this topic put forward the view that unequal pay for men and women in the same job is due to factors such as women taking time out of the workforce to care for children and use this to justify the pay gap.  </p>
<p>The reality is that the very thorough pay reviews conducted in the core public service and education take this factor into account.  They weed out the proportion this contributes to the pay gap and demonstrate that there is still a sizable part of the pay gap that is not due to this.  This is the bit that is discriminatory and that the Government has an obligation to address.  </p>
<p>The most common problem identified by the reviews was in starting salaries.  Women new starters with the same (or more) levels of experience and qualifications as male new starters were offered less than their male counterparts and this gap is never caught up. All of this is not helped of course by our strange practice here in NZ of not publishing salary ranges for jobs.</p>
<p>The other main issue identified was performance pay systems where progression up the pay range is not transparent and is  determined by managerial discretion.  The reviews show that women with the same levels of experience and performance as men receive less salary progression and smaller one-off performance payments.</p>
<p>So, this has all been proven now.  We don&#8217;t need to spend more taxpayers&#8217; money on the Ministry of Women&#8217;s Affairs trying to figure out whether there is a problem.  There is and the Government has both a moral and human rights obligation to fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: robert harris</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>robert harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 05:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article covers a number of complexities and some of the underlying patterns are perhaps obscured. One factor that is often ignored is that generic social expenditure generally has less psychological priority to decision makers than specific economic or social outcomes where single outcomes appear obtainable (sometimes illusionary). 

Secondly, most of our governments in the past 60 years have been relatively conservative, voted for by relatively conservative men and women - its your fault really. These administrations have in recent decades generally had a commitment to &#039;less government&#039;, or at least topical government. A side effect has been the giving of less in the way of payments to staff, unless they are to buy skills in demand - such payments are not immediately seen as &#039;frontline&#039; by most of us. Bulk funding has increasingly lead to prioritisation and the margins have suffered. 

Contemporary management theory is weighted towards the efficiency and strategic hierarchy model, in which &#039;managers&#039; are paid more than &#039;doers&#039; because their decision making &#039;has more value&#039;, and sometimes this is even true. Overall, since the 1980s the organisational approach in public and private sectors has shifted from the concept of increasing equity to one of structured inequity. The resulting gender inequity is likely to be a side effect, or co-lateral damage, than a deliberate policy outcome. People at the bottom, whether teacher support aids or nurses are not exempt. This is the accidental theory of life, located somewhere offshore between the stupidity theory of everything and the conspiracy theory. 

Coming back to the central issue of why male teachers are paid more than women, one or two reasons given above hit the target - simply put, employment patterns for men and women are different, because they are sometimes seen as delivering a different product. More men have technical training, or deliver in traditional fields such as mathematics or technology, which are in demand. Proportionately more women have traditional teaching skills such as language and history, which are seen as nice to have, rather than cutting edge - not true but assumed by bureaucrats and politicians nevertheless, and one should have both edges. More women teachers work part time. More women than men are relieving teachers. Women tend to be the child carers during the children&#039;s early years, so they take a break or a series of breaks. Men have suffered somewhat in the moral panic about males generally and therefore male teachers are desirable goods in the current market. Men are also less nice and likely to be more ambitious, and they are either expected to be the main bread winner or the only one during a significant part of their careers. The result is that men staying in the profession tend to be overtly ambitious and tend to succeed in pay negotiations because psychologically the stakes are higher. 

While all these are generalisations there is enough truth in each to make a real difference in pay rates over time. Some of these factors advantage men and some disadvantage women - two different concerns. These factors have became relatively more important in the same period that formal pay equity was legislated for and have exercised a countervailing pressure on female pay rates, among other things. 

I am sure that some gap filling is desirable, but I suggest that it is less important in the middle and higher teaching ranks, and it is arguably far more important (because more equitable) to plug the equity gaps for many low value workers who provide society&#039;s shock troops - many of whom are women. They are the undervalued glue that sticks our society; often undervalued by their better off sisters, as well as by dastardly male policy makers and politicians. In my experience women  at the top, or women aspiring can look after themselves if they have to, having had the education and social exposure to do so. A lot of gender equity focus should instead be on the wider question of equity, funding policy and where decisions are being made, all politically more scary topics. They are also by their nature, not single fix solutions, the love of which created the problem gaps in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article covers a number of complexities and some of the underlying patterns are perhaps obscured. One factor that is often ignored is that generic social expenditure generally has less psychological priority to decision makers than specific economic or social outcomes where single outcomes appear obtainable (sometimes illusionary). </p>
<p>Secondly, most of our governments in the past 60 years have been relatively conservative, voted for by relatively conservative men and women &#8211; its your fault really. These administrations have in recent decades generally had a commitment to &#8216;less government&#8217;, or at least topical government. A side effect has been the giving of less in the way of payments to staff, unless they are to buy skills in demand &#8211; such payments are not immediately seen as &#8216;frontline&#8217; by most of us. Bulk funding has increasingly lead to prioritisation and the margins have suffered. </p>
<p>Contemporary management theory is weighted towards the efficiency and strategic hierarchy model, in which &#8216;managers&#8217; are paid more than &#8216;doers&#8217; because their decision making &#8216;has more value&#8217;, and sometimes this is even true. Overall, since the 1980s the organisational approach in public and private sectors has shifted from the concept of increasing equity to one of structured inequity. The resulting gender inequity is likely to be a side effect, or co-lateral damage, than a deliberate policy outcome. People at the bottom, whether teacher support aids or nurses are not exempt. This is the accidental theory of life, located somewhere offshore between the stupidity theory of everything and the conspiracy theory. </p>
<p>Coming back to the central issue of why male teachers are paid more than women, one or two reasons given above hit the target &#8211; simply put, employment patterns for men and women are different, because they are sometimes seen as delivering a different product. More men have technical training, or deliver in traditional fields such as mathematics or technology, which are in demand. Proportionately more women have traditional teaching skills such as language and history, which are seen as nice to have, rather than cutting edge &#8211; not true but assumed by bureaucrats and politicians nevertheless, and one should have both edges. More women teachers work part time. More women than men are relieving teachers. Women tend to be the child carers during the children&#8217;s early years, so they take a break or a series of breaks. Men have suffered somewhat in the moral panic about males generally and therefore male teachers are desirable goods in the current market. Men are also less nice and likely to be more ambitious, and they are either expected to be the main bread winner or the only one during a significant part of their careers. The result is that men staying in the profession tend to be overtly ambitious and tend to succeed in pay negotiations because psychologically the stakes are higher. </p>
<p>While all these are generalisations there is enough truth in each to make a real difference in pay rates over time. Some of these factors advantage men and some disadvantage women &#8211; two different concerns. These factors have became relatively more important in the same period that formal pay equity was legislated for and have exercised a countervailing pressure on female pay rates, among other things. </p>
<p>I am sure that some gap filling is desirable, but I suggest that it is less important in the middle and higher teaching ranks, and it is arguably far more important (because more equitable) to plug the equity gaps for many low value workers who provide society&#8217;s shock troops &#8211; many of whom are women. They are the undervalued glue that sticks our society; often undervalued by their better off sisters, as well as by dastardly male policy makers and politicians. In my experience women  at the top, or women aspiring can look after themselves if they have to, having had the education and social exposure to do so. A lot of gender equity focus should instead be on the wider question of equity, funding policy and where decisions are being made, all politically more scary topics. They are also by their nature, not single fix solutions, the love of which created the problem gaps in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jum</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simplest solution is to legislate to remove gender from all employment applications, contracts, negotiations.  In other words change &#039;female/male&#039; to &#039;human being&#039;.  If the work is the same, then there is absolutely no right to give less pay to one person and more to another person.

The fact that the majority of men have shown no inclination to support women&#039;s call for equal pay for equal work suggests that they are happy with the status quo.  

Women therefore must force the changes themselves.  

An updated well circulated essay by Marilyn Waring on the pay differences and paid/unpaid inequality of work value in New Zealand would be helpful.  

Women are their own worst enemies the way they undervalue their input into this nation&#039;s past, present and future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simplest solution is to legislate to remove gender from all employment applications, contracts, negotiations.  In other words change &#8216;female/male&#8217; to &#8216;human being&#8217;.  If the work is the same, then there is absolutely no right to give less pay to one person and more to another person.</p>
<p>The fact that the majority of men have shown no inclination to support women&#8217;s call for equal pay for equal work suggests that they are happy with the status quo.  </p>
<p>Women therefore must force the changes themselves.  </p>
<p>An updated well circulated essay by Marilyn Waring on the pay differences and paid/unpaid inequality of work value in New Zealand would be helpful.  </p>
<p>Women are their own worst enemies the way they undervalue their input into this nation&#8217;s past, present and future.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicola</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is indeed a good article.  Would anyone like to suggest to Pansy Wong that she takes the simplest solution, and passes a law making it illegal to give men a pay rise for the next three years - given it is a recession, and all (we could possibly exempt men who are currently studying or unemployed).
Sure it is a brute force solution - but it is a brutal problem, and one that is insufficently well-acknowledged - I am afraid that only a brute force answer will do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed a good article.  Would anyone like to suggest to Pansy Wong that she takes the simplest solution, and passes a law making it illegal to give men a pay rise for the next three years &#8211; given it is a recession, and all (we could possibly exempt men who are currently studying or unemployed).<br />
Sure it is a brute force solution &#8211; but it is a brutal problem, and one that is insufficently well-acknowledged &#8211; I am afraid that only a brute force answer will do.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah E</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article - Catriona. It&#039;s so helpful to understand the policy changes as they have occurred over the years. I agree with Ann that nursing is one to watch - with more men entering the care part of the sector, what impact will this have on pay rates? 
As for Chris&#039;s comments about women being less productive due to their work at home, I hope his wife doesn&#039;t wash his socks for a month :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article &#8211; Catriona. It&#8217;s so helpful to understand the policy changes as they have occurred over the years. I agree with Ann that nursing is one to watch &#8211; with more men entering the care part of the sector, what impact will this have on pay rates?<br />
As for Chris&#8217;s comments about women being less productive due to their work at home, I hope his wife doesn&#8217;t wash his socks for a month <img src='http://werewolf.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Linda Hill</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, Catriona.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, Catriona.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of note is that the superficial &#039;improvement&#039; in the gender pay gap from 197.11 in 2003 to 194.90 in 2009 is not due to improving female wages but declining male wages and conditions (Briar, 2009).  The tertiary education sector has a 22.2 pay differential between men and women - one would assume that people who work in this sector regardless of gender are highly qualified/educated, and that if education/qualifications are indicative of a pay differential across sectors then one would assume that the gap would be smaller, not larger, in this sector.  Women in tertiary education are also less likely than in other sectors to have children (Briar, 2009) - so time out to care for children is not a strong indicator of this disadvantage. Of interest is the fact that women tend to begin their careers on lower wages than their male counterparts (when child care and other family responsibilities are less likely to be a factor) and that this difference is pay increases, rather than decreases in the first 5 years (Briar, 2009).  

Reference:  Briar, C. (2009) Hidden Health Hazards in Women&#039;s Work. Wellington: Dunmore Press.  

People who believe that gender discrimination in the workplace does not exist and that achievement and reward are related to merit should read this book - they may find it enlightening to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of note is that the superficial &#8216;improvement&#8217; in the gender pay gap from 197.11 in 2003 to 194.90 in 2009 is not due to improving female wages but declining male wages and conditions (Briar, 2009).  The tertiary education sector has a 22.2 pay differential between men and women &#8211; one would assume that people who work in this sector regardless of gender are highly qualified/educated, and that if education/qualifications are indicative of a pay differential across sectors then one would assume that the gap would be smaller, not larger, in this sector.  Women in tertiary education are also less likely than in other sectors to have children (Briar, 2009) &#8211; so time out to care for children is not a strong indicator of this disadvantage. Of interest is the fact that women tend to begin their careers on lower wages than their male counterparts (when child care and other family responsibilities are less likely to be a factor) and that this difference is pay increases, rather than decreases in the first 5 years (Briar, 2009).  </p>
<p>Reference:  Briar, C. (2009) Hidden Health Hazards in Women&#8217;s Work. Wellington: Dunmore Press.  </p>
<p>People who believe that gender discrimination in the workplace does not exist and that achievement and reward are related to merit should read this book &#8211; they may find it enlightening to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthea Raven</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthea Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. The issue of occupational undervaluing of female typed occupations is even fraught with manipulation of the pay itself such as in the case of social workers. The MSD Pay Equity reports were released last year. However, they procrastinated the Pay Investigation in the event it would be scrapped if a new goverment got in. Even so the investigation was well underway when this happened. The recent disestablishment of jobs in CYF/MSD will have an affect on female pay because most of those losing their jobs are women. There are no similarly paid roles for them to be absorbed into and they will therefore be expected to take lower paid roles if there are any around. The rough estimations of how much is lost to women over a lifetime of work shows it is comparable with the cost of a family home in Auckland maybe between $500,000 - $1,0000,000. As your article shows the female labour force can be easily &quot;screwed&quot; and no better time than in an economic recession when there are limited options and we are less likely to &quot;squeal&quot; loudly about it. After many years of research on this matter it is not hard to come to the conclusion that it is not the job itself that is undervalued but &#039;gender&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. The issue of occupational undervaluing of female typed occupations is even fraught with manipulation of the pay itself such as in the case of social workers. The MSD Pay Equity reports were released last year. However, they procrastinated the Pay Investigation in the event it would be scrapped if a new goverment got in. Even so the investigation was well underway when this happened. The recent disestablishment of jobs in CYF/MSD will have an affect on female pay because most of those losing their jobs are women. There are no similarly paid roles for them to be absorbed into and they will therefore be expected to take lower paid roles if there are any around. The rough estimations of how much is lost to women over a lifetime of work shows it is comparable with the cost of a family home in Auckland maybe between $500,000 &#8211; $1,0000,000. As your article shows the female labour force can be easily &#8220;screwed&#8221; and no better time than in an economic recession when there are limited options and we are less likely to &#8220;squeal&#8221; loudly about it. After many years of research on this matter it is not hard to come to the conclusion that it is not the job itself that is undervalued but &#8216;gender&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Lynch</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I suggest you are off point.
The question is whether men and women are paid the same for the same work and the same experience, as well as the same type of work and the same qualifications. 
They are not. 
As for your remarks about child rearing, suppose you add up the money you would pay to a nanny, a housekeeper, a taxi driver and a cook, including overtime (7 days a week, 52 days a year) at current rates. And  if your childcarer multitasks, you will pay more for expertise. Check the going rates. Will you pay a woman more than a man? 
Since  children are supposed to be important, and the responsibilties demand a number of skills in nursing,nutrition,  education, time management, management of people and resources, not to say budgeting, and last for many years, the woman who takes time out for child rearing may well be more employable and skilled afterwards, not to mention committed to her job with a family to support. Many an office contains a male &quot;passenger&quot; doing less work than women doing the same tasks. Yet he gets the promotion. Why? Could it be bias in the performance review process?
Research also shows that total hours worked, both at &quot;work&quot; (paid) and at home (unpaid) are more for women than for men. Indeed, if everyone was paid for the productive activities in the home, the statistics would weigh heavily in favour of women.
Furthermore,since the relative status of a job often depends on the genders of the people who do it, it will be interesting to see how the increasing proportions of female graduates in law and medicine affects the status of lawyers and doctors. Will their fields experience the same deterioration in job status that has occurred in teaching ?
Conversely, as nursing pay improves and more men take up this challenging career, will it become a higher status job in our society?
Perhaps the real question is, what is productivity? Or, alternatively, how do we assess the relative worth of jobs associated with women and those associated with men? Or, does a traditionally unpaid job become productive/worthwhile only if it becomes paid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I suggest you are off point.<br />
The question is whether men and women are paid the same for the same work and the same experience, as well as the same type of work and the same qualifications.<br />
They are not.<br />
As for your remarks about child rearing, suppose you add up the money you would pay to a nanny, a housekeeper, a taxi driver and a cook, including overtime (7 days a week, 52 days a year) at current rates. And  if your childcarer multitasks, you will pay more for expertise. Check the going rates. Will you pay a woman more than a man?<br />
Since  children are supposed to be important, and the responsibilties demand a number of skills in nursing,nutrition,  education, time management, management of people and resources, not to say budgeting, and last for many years, the woman who takes time out for child rearing may well be more employable and skilled afterwards, not to mention committed to her job with a family to support. Many an office contains a male &#8220;passenger&#8221; doing less work than women doing the same tasks. Yet he gets the promotion. Why? Could it be bias in the performance review process?<br />
Research also shows that total hours worked, both at &#8220;work&#8221; (paid) and at home (unpaid) are more for women than for men. Indeed, if everyone was paid for the productive activities in the home, the statistics would weigh heavily in favour of women.<br />
Furthermore,since the relative status of a job often depends on the genders of the people who do it, it will be interesting to see how the increasing proportions of female graduates in law and medicine affects the status of lawyers and doctors. Will their fields experience the same deterioration in job status that has occurred in teaching ?<br />
Conversely, as nursing pay improves and more men take up this challenging career, will it become a higher status job in our society?<br />
Perhaps the real question is, what is productivity? Or, alternatively, how do we assess the relative worth of jobs associated with women and those associated with men? Or, does a traditionally unpaid job become productive/worthwhile only if it becomes paid?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://werewolf.co.nz/2009/07/worth-fighting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People ought to be paid for the experience, productivity and commitment to their job, not their gender. Research shows that men work longer hours than women and seek training, experience and promotion more fiercly. It&#039;s also well know that women take a lot more time off work for the purpose of child rearing, and are therefore less productive and less committed workers. It&#039;s not equality to pay a women the same amount as a man when a man will work more hours, take less time off and is more productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People ought to be paid for the experience, productivity and commitment to their job, not their gender. Research shows that men work longer hours than women and seek training, experience and promotion more fiercly. It&#8217;s also well know that women take a lot more time off work for the purpose of child rearing, and are therefore less productive and less committed workers. It&#8217;s not equality to pay a women the same amount as a man when a man will work more hours, take less time off and is more productive.</p>
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		<title>By: Paora Te Rana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paora Te Rana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, What&#039;s new? The Tories true to their age-old form still continue to perpetuate the pay-gap between men and women and at the same time further marginalise Maori and polynesian women.The struggle continues on ad nauseum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, What&#8217;s new? The Tories true to their age-old form still continue to perpetuate the pay-gap between men and women and at the same time further marginalise Maori and polynesian women.The struggle continues on ad nauseum.</p>
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